Still thinking about the last comments about the counter-culture church. I don't actually read the gospels and see counter-culture as the theme. Jesus seemed to work from within the culture. He maintained his jewish lifestyle including temple worship. In Matthew 26 Jesus asserts that he sat in the temple courts everyday to teach. He told stories that were relevant culturally to make his point.
I think we will have more impact working from within the existing culture than establishing a counter-culture. A counter-culture movement creates a bubble that the culture can ignore as a freak show. But kingdom people salted through the existing systems can actually change culture. You can't change what you're not involved with.
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